MAX MCGEE'S PROFILE

If you live in the US, especially anywhere remotely near NYC or Ferguson but anywhere in the US really, you can't open a window or turn on a TV without seeing this shit tearing our society apart. It's natural and right for us to want to discuss it.

Your basically arguing human nature. News flash, people have been abusing power and murdering people for 1000's of years. Things have yet to change. They are simply getting worse, now that money makes the world go round.

Here's the thing, though. Things are actually supposed to be getting *BETTER* over time. And you could make an argument that they are. In spite of my fervent opposition to you-know-whats, society is actually becoming more just over time. Two hundred years ago black people in America were chattel. One hundred years ago they were second class citizens with no civil rights. So yes, as the timeline moves forward, things are improving in the world. You look at women, or gays, same thing. Things are a lot better than they were 200 years ago. In America. Not sure how it's going in Nova Scotia, maybe there it's getting worse? I don't see much news on Nova Scotia.

You ever hear someone say "jesus fucking christ, XYZ is still happening!? it's 2014 for fuck's sake" ... well, basically speaking that's people acknowledging the unspoken assumption that human beings are supposed to be getting LESS fucked up over time. It's called social progress.

Plus you aren't cops. So you don't know what it's like to be cops. But you want a police force to uphold the law. They are human beings, not perfect machines that always get it right. There is no system in the world that is perfect; government, politics, charities, schools, churches. It's because they are run by human beings. Obviously cops shouldn't be killing innocent people but you can't say that you know what it's like to put yourself on the frontlines like that. To live your entire life being in danger. It's not exactly a secret that these things go on. Anybody who follows the news even a little knows at least a few of these stories.

This argument is total bullshit. Here's the thing, cops are paid well to risk their lives. But the way they have militarized against the populace they are supposed to protect ensures that THEY are not the ones at risk, because anyone who might even conceivably be a threat to them, they kill at the slightest provocation, or none at all, or none at all. And that is fucking bullshit, because they are not actually doing what they are getting paid for: risking their lives to defend society. And yes, whatever #NOTALLCOPS but the blue man is the man I am the least worried about here.

I find myself very much wondering where Liberty et al went when I find myself being the sole person to be making the argument that police are effectively gestapo terrorizing disenfranchised minorities. I feel like suddenly it is bizzarro world.

But this site probably has a lot of young impressionable minds. Do you honestly believe that you are qualified to shape their opinions to match your own? You link a pile of news stories and talk about how you hate pigs. Yeah, let's get our younger generation to hate all cops indiscriminately because a few/some/a bunch/too many do bad things.

Look man, I'm a punk at heart, like...I basically have the anarchy sign tattooed on my soul, you don't roll that way, that's fine. I respect that my beliefs aren't for everyone. I fully expect to be challenged on the more extreme parts of my rhetoric, calling cops pigs, etcetera. It just seems surreal when yesterday I was coming over attack as being some kind of reactionary just for suggestion that police brutality didn't happen solely and exclusively to black folks and now today I am being challenged for suggesting it is an epidemic at all.

But anyway part of my beliefs include that young people are smart enough to look at the facts and form their own conclusions. And I don't think that the establishment needs any help from me to propagandize their bullshit side.

If you are actually going to stick by your declared intention and stay out of this thread from now on, I think that would be best.

Max, I understand you're passionate about this, but it isn't other peoples responsibility to see things the way you see them

I did not assert that it was anyone's responsibility to see things the way I see them. Look man, in all seriousness...if anyone sees things differently they are WELCOME to share. I just don't think anyone does. By which I mean that I think everyone agrees that these are shameful atrocities that could be prevented by societal changes. People should stop trusting the police and stop defending them by default for starters, because often the police are not deserving of your trust or your backing.

though due to general levels of immaturity & close-mindedness when discussing topics outside of the gaming world on here, this topic was a bad idea

I really hope that this is not true.

I don't agree with this. he suffocated, but it was caused by a litany of health conditions he had that were triggered by the cop who subdued him. I definitely things escalated to a physical takedown way too fast, but I can't really say the cop was at fault either. If the cop did use a chokehold (constriction of airway,) it was for about 3 seconds. He definitely shouldn't have done this, but I would say it was emphatically not the reason Garner died, either. you could have probably slapped him on the back and his heart would have exploded.

I don't know man, my viewing of the video gave me a very different impression. His cries of pain that he couldn't breathe seemed very genuine. And the way that they were pressing his face down into the pavement at an angle after the chokehold seemed extremely harmful to his airway/ability to draw breath. That video is fucking disturbing.

Also like I feel like--not that you specifically are making this argument--but I feel like the police want it both ways. Like at the same time they are saying that he was such a huge terrifying demon-like black man that they all needed to wrestle him into a chokehold but at the same time he was so cartoonishly frail that his heart would have exploded if they blew on him. Like...pick one. Either he's a giant black hercules or he's some kind of ticking time bomb of heart disease waiting for a stiff breeze. It can't be both.

Now Mike Brown I think that a case could actually be made for self defense based on the bruises Darren Wilson had. But there should at least have been an indictment and a trial in an actual court with an actual judge. But I mean...I stand by that grabbing for a cop's gun is a really good way to get killed.

When a man is saying repeatedly "I can't breathe" in that context, for someone to be so sociopathic as to continue the physical conditions after hearing that, there's a problem.

I completely agree. The NYPD are completely unjustified in standing behind these officers, whose actions seem both sadistic and unnecessary.

I have to say that your switching ideas that abruptly is kind of disconcerting. : /

I know I haven't had a chance to do much to help yet, but I was invested in the FF7 demake project. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to think that I can rely on you to not flake out and disappear or switch projects before I commit to anything...

@Link2112: Then please don't post here. It will only be part of the problem. I don't mean "part of the problem of police brutality" obviously I mean "part of the problem of having a civil discussion on RMN". Your self-described "bitching" isn't going to help this be a civil discussion.

And if you think it's not your problem because you don't live in the US then just seriously...please don't post here. You don't care about America's problems, that's fine. You have nothing to add, so please stay out. But I mean I don't know if one of our members from the Middle East was posting about the issues effecting their country I don't think I'd ever be like "not my problem isn't happening in America I don't care". Because RMN is a community.

I should clarify: I don't know if we have the power to change anything. But I also can't think of *anyone* I am sure has both the power and the inclination to enact change as far as this is concerned. For all of the public outrage


You know what I think the real problem is and I've got to get a bit moralistic here but what I think the real problem is is COWARDICE. These pigs are SO. FUCKING. SCARED. that THEY might be hurt that they react to mundane situations with insane, over-the-top excessive force.

Look at this disgusting video. It's one homeless man illegally camping. They are concerned, I guess, because he has a couple of pocket knives? So they send in like six officers most of which are armed with heavy body armor and weapons so kitted out and accessorized that they literally look just like something out of fucking Call of Duty plus more officers with shotguns and dogs. Then they apparently give him their word that he can leave peacefully, and when he turns his back to pick up his stuff, they chuck a stun grenade at him, and then because he was making "threatening gestures" from like twenty or thirty feet away, they engage him with lethal weapons (they HAD less-lethal weapons as you see a second later), and when he GOES DOWN and stops moving except to say things like "PLEASE DON'T HURT ME ANYMORE" and "I CAN'T MOVE" (which you can clearly hear him saying) as they SCREAM at him to drop the knife which he can't do because they severed his spine with their bullets, they shoot him THREE MORE TIMES with a beanbag shotgun while he is unable to move and then once that is done they are STILL SO SCARED OF HIM that they sick a dog on him to savage him and then when he doesn't react at all to being savaged by a dog, only then do they approach him with all the wariness in the world like he was a building full of heavily armed terrorists and 'step on him, real hard'. It's fucking unbelievable.

How fucking helpless and prostrate does someone have to be before you don't feel threatened by them, you fucking cowards?

Literally, they would rather be 100% sure that he is dead than face a 1% chance they might potentially be injured. When did being a cop become about using whatever force necessary to insure you don't have to make any sacrifices in the line of duty?

Would there be any real chance of actually adopting this in the United States?

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Here we go again. I want to make a topic about out of control topics. Let's see how long this one takes. If this makes it to page 10 without personal insults I will stop complaining about this shit.

Well I mean...I don't think there is actually like any point of contention to debate here. But I mean also I feel like...that's kind of unfair. Like heated debate is what tends to make threads get to page 10 in the first place (!) which yes might also tend to come with some heated rhetoric or even personal insults. But yeah I mean...as far as I'm concerned this thread is about like deeper understanding of the problem and exploring solutions. I don't seriously anticipate anyone is going to debate the very existence of the problem because it is painfully self evident across the bleeding face of our fractured society.

I literally hear about a new cop-murders-unarmed-person story EVERY DAY and have been for the last three weeks.

EDIT: Would having tighter psychological screening on who is allowed to become a cop help matters? Some of these guys seem like violent psychos and they are often repeat offenders.

EDIT2: OH MY FUCKING GOD. JESUSMARYFUCK.

Megaman X is one of my favorite videogames of all time and the antihero/heroic villain of my Iron Gaia series started off as a fairly clear-cut ripoff of Sigma from the same game. I was never super into the pre-SNES Megaman games or the post-SNES ones but I really enjoyed Mega Man X.

I'll give Revenge of the Fallen a shot at some point. I am not great at platform/shooters so I will probably get raped by the difficulty and ragequit. Just a fair warning.

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Kay, just do me a favor, and if you really hate the game, tear the living crap out of it. I want a good rant about how it's pure crap! That would be classic.

Man I'm not really the guy to go to for that. I have never given a game a score lower than 1.5 Stars...and I've only ever given two games a score that low.

I guess anything could happen though!